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Should This Lake Exist?
   Veritasium
  Published: 3 years ago

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The Salton Sea is the largest body of water in California, home to the second most diverse group of birds in America and it exists by accident.
Another great video on the Salton Sea: https://youtu.be/otIU6Py4K_A
I used archive from this video.

Music by Kevin MacLeod, www.incompetech.com ‘Mirage’, ‘Hyperfun’, ‘Marty Gots a Plan’, ‘Past the Edge’
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6 hours ago
what if we found a way to remove the salt from the lake?


9 hours ago
I don't know, I think I disagree. I don't think think things naturally fall apart or that they tend towards disorder, at least as far as you mean. On a grand scale, sure, because of erosion and stars dying and the heat death of the universe, earth and everything else will fall apart. But there seems to be a perfect cyclical order in nature and humans like to replace that order with their own version (which does fall apart if not tended to). Think of a forest, without any human intervention that forest won't fall apart. Plants will die, animals will die, and their corpses will feed new life, and the forest will flourish. It's the same with Salton Sea and you said it yourself, there's been a lake there even before human intervention made a new one. Salton Sea dries up, but in a century or three it'll be back.


2 days ago
In the subjective disorder of nature is an objective natural beauty. Artificial lakes/dams simply cannot compare to natural bodies of water that have been sculpted over millenia and are at relative equilibrium with their surroundings.


4 days ago
Them shorts


4 days ago
I like this video but disagree with your conclusion. There are indeed plenty of examples where human created "ecosystems" like this one that were created in a relatively short timescale (50 years is nothing on an ecological scale) indeed require constant human intervention to keep them that way. Without it, indeed chaos tends to arise and the ecosystem changes drastically. But this is also true for any "natural" ecosystem. There too, if you zoom in far enough, chaos seems to increase constantly. The sheer complexity of those ecosystems though, ensures that massive changes in one factor (species) are often countered by changes in another species. The end result is that ecosystems in the sort term, because climatologic and geologic parameters change very slowly, tend to have its biological components gravitate towards a stable state (or equilibrium) that resists change. See Scheffer et all if you're interested. In the long term, those systems will change though and a real equilibrium doesn't exist in the way often portrayed in movies and documentaries as if all species are smart enough to adhere to certain rules. In the sort term, enough biologic parameters in any system seem to ensure that the increasing chaos in one parameter are likely compensated by changes in other parameters. A lake like this, with very few species initially, and especially species that didn't belong there in the first place, will show enormous swings that will slowly subside until enough species are there to create a sort of temporary stable state. If you look at the lake in a 100 years for instance, you might find a very interesting saltwater lake full of shrimp and flamingos and many migratory birds feeding on them. Or maybe a completely different ecosystem because of factors I can't even think off. If we keep moving the goal posts though, the system will keep changing rapidly, until some factor is able to counter the chaos we keep introducing in the system.


4 days ago
The abandoned resorts kind of remind me of the Sierra madre from new Vegas


5 days ago
Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. / murphy's law /


6 days ago
I thought he was going to talk about the “atomic lake” in Russia.


6 days ago
Couldn't concentrate because of the flies


1 week ago
Largest surface area, NOT largest by volume


1 week ago
That is a false statement....It was the fact that humans intervened and created something that geographically shouldn't have existed that is now causing issues. To keep that lake alive would cost countless resources on something that shouldn't exist.

Natural process has a beautiful way of maintaining order, its when humans who think highly of themselves get in the way and start manipulating nature you see the backlash. Just look at cancer, global warming, and so on.

We waste so much to just maintain faulty systems that we did not know how damaging they were when we started them. Let the lake die and let nature put back what should be there all along. If we want to spend millions on that area, why not use those resources to help the citizens there move or find work else where.

But of course we would rather spend millions on a dumb lake that shouldn't be there than on Mexicans right?...


1 week ago
Flies. Nothing more I can say could possibly add to this comment


1 week ago
Sentience, the one weakness of humanity.


2 weeks ago
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2 weeks ago
At 5:50 the narrator says “In the absence of our caring, things tend toward disorder; things naturally fall apart.”  That may be true of human things—plans, structures, desires, intents—but not necessarily natural things, like deserts and lakes.

We know (from geological evidence) that the Salton Sink has filled and emptied many times over the past few thousands of years: sometimes it was a dry desert basin, and sometimes a lake; sometimes the lake was freshwater and sometimes salty.  So, the natural order seems to be what is happening right now: a lake that was created by accident is being erased again by natural processes.  Human intervention—building resorts, adding fish, fertilizing crops upriver, etc.—was the source of the disorder that we see now, a disorder that is slowly being returned to the natural order, without further human intervention.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is that nature rules, and that our human desires and intents must always yield to the natural order.  A temporary lake deserves temporary structures and short-term plans, and we should be prepared to see them all evaporate, when the time arrives.


2 weeks ago
There can be no order without chaos, no good without evil, no light without darkness. Humanity mainly strive for order but in its quest to do so is destroying itself with chaos. What must we do? How should we move forward? When will it end? All good questions and the answer will always start with you.


2 weeks ago
Philosophical


2 weeks ago
Yes


2 weeks ago
Why are there so many birds if it's like a wasteland?


3 weeks ago
Why didn't they set up a pump or two (okok a few)?
I mean, I don't know how strong they were back in the days but pumping the water upwards and trying to get it to a natural level would have been a great idea.
And why didn't say filtered the water that was coming from the agricultural places?
Did no one consider the salt?


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